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Offline Zorlik

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dagger trigger for lisa
« on: November 02, 2017, 06:30:08 am »
i'm so confused when talking in game with other player about lucky strike trigger
some pple say
-trigger effect
*1 dagger is needed for lucky strike the second one doesn't change anything
(so if i have 2 dagger first 15 percent second 11 percent i get only 15 percent fm first dagger)
*2 dagger for max trigger percentage
(so one with 15 other with 11 total 26 percentage /2= 13 percent)
-pen effect
*pen don't affect trigger
*max pen for max percentage to get lucky strike

i'm so confused pple say different things

Offline Novusod

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Re: dagger trigger for lisa
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2017, 08:17:41 am »
I think her stance has innate triggers built into it so even if you equip junk daggers you will get triggers. Then if you equip Devil Strata Daggers you will get extra triggers and her skills will basically always light up for bonus trigger. I have no idea how the actual percentages work.
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Offline Recoilsuave

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Re: dagger trigger for lisa
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2017, 10:21:54 am »
Her Blitz Assault stance has its own trigger called Counterattack. It is triggered when she evades/parries a skill attack. You can see this by either dueling someone and having them use weak skills on her or standing next to a monster using skills on her until she evades one. Some of her skills will then light up.

Counterattack is not affected by weapons. It doesn't matter what mods, if any, your daggers have, it's based on her evasion.

Trigger mods on daggers work on a per hit basis for only the specific dagger the mod is on. If you have two daggers, one with a 15% trigger and the other with 10%; each hit in her Blitz Assault stance is 2 hits per dagger, so you'd have 15% trigger chance with 2 hits, and 10% chance with the other 2 hits.

Weapon mods aren't averaged like AR is. They are calculated per hit for each weapon. Skills sometimes seem odd because you can't always see which weapon is dealing which hits, or how many.

I hope that clears things up. If not, try testing it using the Heaven and Hell stance if you have a sword/sabre and pistol with triggers. Using the pistol only skill should never have the melee weapon trigger.

Offline darky1818

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Re: dagger trigger for lisa
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2017, 04:19:00 pm »
If it works like the other stuff for a x2 weapon user (at least for those who equip the same type of weapon in both hands)... then it should be like this :
You'll only get half of the stats for every weapon... let's say you have two daggers with 10% chance each.. then you won't get 20%, it will be 10% only... 5% from one and the another 5% from the other.
...In your example you said, one dagger with 11% and the other with 15%--- then that will be like this>
11+15=26/2 = 13% trigger chance*
About the pen... i'm not sure e.e but doesn't sound important for me as far as you can damage the target.. if attack is too low and you can't damage it then the effect will, of course, not trigger... that's maybe the reason why ppl say you need pen... so you can ignore inmu/def and deal more damage over bosses/mobs with high stats

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Re: dagger trigger for lisa
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2017, 05:48:05 pm »
Remember there's also Tyrant Daggers with built in Trigger that is 10%.  Plus you can chip for 1% to 15% trigger as well.
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Re: dagger trigger for lisa
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2017, 07:45:10 pm »
Remember there's also Tyrant Daggers with built in Trigger that is 10%.  Plus you can chip for 1% to 15% trigger as well.
Tyrant series come with an in-built 5% trigger only and that series can't be chipped for trigger. Although I think you meant to say Evil/SD to be chipped trigger. Tyrant daggers are better for characters like Heyran or Scarlet as they come with in-built with trigger and can be chipped with racials so that they can do some dpsing.

I think her stance has innate triggers built into it so even if you equip junk daggers you will get triggers. Then if you equip Devil Strata Daggers you will get extra triggers and her skills will basically always light up for bonus trigger. I have no idea how the actual percentages work.
Her stance's trigger is Counterattack not Lucky Strike. Do not conflate the two.
- [Counterattack] Your skill can be stronger by using a specialized skill when you prevented or avoided the attack of enemy
- [Lucky Strike] Puts enemy in [Lucky Strike] status, reducing evasion/block and -3DR

-pen effect
*pen don't affect trigger
*max pen for max percentage to get lucky strike
Chances of landing Lucky Strike is based a certain % of how many normal hits you land. So to maximise it, you need to max ASPD on Lisa so she lands as many blows as possible. Penetration helps to eat into any block or evasion the target might have, so enabling her to land more blows (that count) as well.

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Re: dagger trigger for lisa
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2017, 09:02:32 pm »
Tyrant series come with an in-built 5% trigger only and that series can't be chipped for trigger. Although I think you meant to say Evil/SD to be chipped trigger. Tyrant daggers are better for characters like Heyran or Scarlet as they come with in-built with trigger and can be chipped with racials so that they can do some dpsing.

Actually, Tyrant series can be chipped with trigger ^_^
Noble series can also be chipped with trigger.
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Re: dagger trigger for lisa
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2017, 09:48:11 pm »
^ My bad. Thanks for the correction.

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Re: dagger trigger for lisa
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2017, 06:08:53 pm »
^ My bad. Thanks for the correction.

Tyrant Daggers

5% Trigger per dagger + 1~15% Trigger enchantment mod per Tyrant dagger,

I got 2 +7ed Tyrant Daggers for my Lisa.

Main ATK 44% Up & Trigger 15%
Offhand ATK 43 Up & Trigger 11%
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