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Title: Elephant pet
Post by: LiSSS on April 21, 2018, 09:59:14 am
Where can I receive an elephant pet? Please add it to PTE or item shop.
Title: Re: Elephant pet
Post by: BlackRockShooter on April 21, 2018, 08:09:53 pm
Where can I receive an elephant pet? Please add it to PTE or item shop.

Not going to happen that pet is meant to be rare and it's for high tier PVPing/PVEing.  It's going to happen the only pets that were released for Playtime Events were White Wolf, Black Dragon, and King of Greed.
Title: Re: Elephant pet
Post by: Visenya on April 22, 2018, 03:13:59 am
Where can I receive an elephant pet? Please add it to PTE or item shop.

It was previously in Lucky Shop Bonus Rewards (500). Now it's been replaced by Tallon.
Title: Re: Elephant pet
Post by: Blancfaust on July 17, 2018, 11:57:12 am
So, what was the buff given by Elephant pet tho?
Title: Re: Elephant pet
Post by: BlackRockShooter on July 17, 2018, 04:45:00 pm
So, what was the buff given by Elephant pet tho?

Elephant: [Blessing of Elephant] Penetration +5, ATK on monsters +10, ATK SPD +10, Critical +10 (Note: cannot stack with other pet buff.)
Title: Re: Elephant pet
Post by: Blancfaust on July 18, 2018, 12:44:07 am
So, what was the buff given by Elephant pet tho?

Elephant: [Blessing of Elephant] Penetration +5, ATK on monsters +10, ATK SPD +10, Critical +10 (Note: cannot stack with other pet buff.)

I see. But judging from that, ain't Divino better than Elephant?
Title: Re: Elephant pet
Post by: Belligero on July 18, 2018, 01:47:58 am
I see. But judging from that, ain't Divino better than Elephant?

It used to be able to persist and stack with other pet buffs until T3Fun decided to nerf it for "balance" reasons.
Title: Re: Elephant pet
Post by: Novusod on July 18, 2018, 03:21:49 am
It needed to be nerfed.
Elephant pet was 100% Pay 2 Win.
Title: Re: Elephant pet
Post by: sayurijen on July 18, 2018, 05:16:14 am
It needed to be nerfed.
Elephant pet was 100% Pay 2 Win.
yeah same as armonia/santo/valeron weapons/armors are pay to win.
Title: Re: Elephant pet
Post by: Castia on July 18, 2018, 01:01:14 pm
It needed to be nerfed.
Elephant pet was 100% Pay 2 Win.
yeah same as armonia/santo/valeron weapons/armors are pay to win.

Sure and while we are at it, lets nerf Constellation, EConst, Evil and Strata weapons and armors as well, cuz racials are bad, someone could die from them. Lets go back to the time where E96 was the good stuff to get. Ah, and I got another idea. Lets take out expert stances cuz its unfair that each new char gets its own stance, lets have everyone be fighting with veteran stances!  :o
Did I miss something?
Title: Re: Elephant pet
Post by: BlackRockShooter on July 18, 2018, 01:46:48 pm
It needed to be nerfed.
Elephant pet was 100% Pay 2 Win.
yeah same as armonia/santo/valeron weapons/armors are pay to win.

Sure and while we are at it, lets nerf Constellation, EConst, Evil and Strata weapons and armors as well, cuz racials are bad, someone could die from them. Lets go back to the time where E96 was the good stuff to get. Ah, and I got another idea. Lets take out expert stances cuz its unfair that each new char gets its own stance, lets have everyone be fighting with veteran stances!  :o
Did I miss something?

Red/Blue/Rainbow/Black lollipops + Soul Crystals + Princ Pots + Melee/Shooting/Magic Ampules + Pets + Rosa + Rio + Sage Necklaces + Montoro Rings + etc etc etc.
Title: Re: Elephant pet
Post by: Novusod on July 18, 2018, 02:39:04 pm
yeah same as armonia/santo/valeron weapons/armors are pay to win.

Can these items be found in the cash shop / lucky box? Don't think so. An argument can be made to nerf the rare rumins though: Eukalade, Arche, Black Diamond, etc.
Title: Re: Elephant pet
Post by: Castia on July 18, 2018, 04:19:01 pm
yeah same as armonia/santo/valeron weapons/armors are pay to win.

Can these items be found in the cash shop / lucky box? Don't think so. An argument can be made to nerf the rare rumins though: Eukalade, Arche, Black Diamond, etc.

The last ones of those that were given out was probably the bonanza event in March of this year. But yes, those Rumin are part of the deal. And so are the Finest potions, for example. BUT: not giving out any of these rumin anymore isnt going to solve the problem, since a lot of ppl has them already, and removing this isnt something that the players who have it will take without complaints. Nerfing the pets was bad enough, if you take more from them, i dunno how many are willing to stay. Remember: they paid for this, and a lot. Its cutting your own flesh if you change the game now, when a path was chosen already. (before you ask: I think it was a mistake to release ANY of those rumin, but the damage is done already.) A way would have been to give out only timed weapon costume rumin, but they chose the path of giving permanent rumins, changing this wont really be possible now, years after this decision was made.
There will always be whiners who complain about it, even more so if the market is bleeding dry of them. (remember when they got the genius idea to delete all warp spots of the server cuz someone whined its unfair some dinosaurs had saved spots that arent possible anymore? Thats pretty much the same.)

More or less constant chance to get them once every month or so might be an option, so at least the whiners have a way to get them even if they dont spend a fortune on the game.
And no, I dont think the pet nerf was alright, either. Maybe was okay to change it, so once you died, you would have to summon each pet again to buff you, but entirely erasing the timer on the buff so it disappears once the pet was desummoned was too much.
Title: Re: Elephant pet
Post by: sayurijen on July 19, 2018, 05:03:03 am
yeah same as armonia/santo/valeron weapons/armors are pay to win.

Can these items be found in the cash shop / lucky box? Don't think so. An argument can be made to nerf the rare rumins though: Eukalade, Arche, Black Diamond, etc.
Well you are arguing that Elephant pet you could get quite often for ~3b is Pay to win  which imho is on the same level of stupidity as saying Valeron armors are pay to win as you won't get one unless you are in top 3 clans or unless you pay upwards of 6b. the only pay to win item in this game is Diablo pet as it's the only one with upfront fee and only one that can't be sold to other players. Pay2Win means you have to shell out real life money to get the item which you didn't have to with Elephant same as you don't have to with valeron weapons/armors you also don't have to with Rumins. Only P2W item is Diablo.
Title: Re: Elephant pet
Post by: BlackRockShooter on July 19, 2018, 06:43:59 pm
So, what was the buff given by Elephant pet tho?

Elephant: [Blessing of Elephant] Penetration +5, ATK on monsters +10, ATK SPD +10, Critical +10 (Note: cannot stack with other pet buff.)

I see. But judging from that, ain't Divino better than Elephant?

And Elephant Pet does heal your team and gives you an HP increase.  I forgot to add that to the post.
Title: Re: Elephant pet
Post by: Visenya on July 19, 2018, 07:06:55 pm
Well you are arguing that Elephant pet you could get quite often for ~3b is Pay to win  which imho is on the same level of stupidity as saying Valeron armors are pay to win as you won't get one unless you are in top 3 clans or unless you pay upwards of 6b. the only pay to win item in this game is Diablo pet as it's the only one with upfront fee and only one that can't be sold to other players. Pay2Win means you have to shell out real life money to get the item which you didn't have to with Elephant same as you don't have to with valeron weapons/armors you also don't have to with Rumins. Only P2W item is Diablo.

I personally disagree. Elephant pet box has never been an item that you can acquire normally from the game. It doesn't drop from monsters. It's not in any raid loot table or roulette table. You have to pay (real money) to get it. For us, it was from Mystery Pet Box and LS bonus. Even if you argue you could get it by buying from a seller and paying with vis, ultimately the source was premium--someone paid real money to get it.

On the other hand, Valeron items can be acquired from the game without having to 'shell out any real money'. That's not taking into consideration enhancement/enchantment costs. We're only talking about item acquisition here. Valeron recipes can drop from boss monster (armor), roulette (accessory), or bought from NPC (weapon). Crafting materials are also in the game -- loot and roulette.

As for rumins, armor/weapon rumins can also be obtained from the game normally. Obviously, premium rumins require real money.
Title: Re: Elephant pet
Post by: sayurijen on July 20, 2018, 12:22:43 pm
Well you are arguing that Elephant pet you could get quite often for ~3b is Pay to win  which imho is on the same level of stupidity as saying Valeron armors are pay to win as you won't get one unless you are in top 3 clans or unless you pay upwards of 6b. the only pay to win item in this game is Diablo pet as it's the only one with upfront fee and only one that can't be sold to other players. Pay2Win means you have to shell out real life money to get the item which you didn't have to with Elephant same as you don't have to with valeron weapons/armors you also don't have to with Rumins. Only P2W item is Diablo.

I personally disagree. Elephant pet box has never been an item that you can acquire normally from the game. It doesn't drop from monsters. It's not in any raid loot table or roulette table. You have to pay (real money) to get it. For us, it was from Mystery Pet Box and LS bonus. Even if you argue you could get it by buying from a seller and paying with vis, ultimately the source was premium--someone paid real money to get it.

On the other hand, Valeron items can be acquired from the game without having to 'shell out any real money'. That's not taking into consideration enhancement/enchantment costs. We're only talking about item acquisition here. Valeron recipes can drop from boss monster (armor), roulette (accessory), or bought from NPC (weapon). Crafting materials are also in the game -- loot and roulette.

As for rumins, armor/weapon rumins can also be obtained from the game normally. Obviously, premium rumins require real money.
For me that's a stupid logic. If everyone were to think like that then every RNPC in the game is P2W and that's crap. If I the person that uses the item don't have to shell out real cash to get an item it is not pay to win, it is a premium item not p2w item. That's why only Diablo fits Pay2Win as there is no way of obtaining it for non paying players.  And sure if by some luck you knock out everyone from Candy/Evo/Ep and steal distorted arma/rex/gloria bosses from them you "can" get valeron armors you will be warred for eternity but it's "doable". Sorry but compared to that it's far easier to get Elephant/Doom Slave/Onyx and other, according to you, P2W items.
Title: Re: Elephant pet
Post by: Visenya on July 20, 2018, 05:37:27 pm
The concept of P2W is based on having to pay real money to gain advantage in a game.
Again, I mentioned it in my post: Even if you argue you could get it by buying from a seller and paying with vis, ultimately the source was premium--someone paid real money to get it.

But I respect that you have a different definition of 'p2w'. That's fine.
Title: Re: Elephant pet
Post by: BlackRockShooter on July 21, 2018, 06:28:40 pm
Well you are arguing that Elephant pet you could get quite often for ~3b is Pay to win  which imho is on the same level of stupidity as saying Valeron armors are pay to win as you won't get one unless you are in top 3 clans or unless you pay upwards of 6b. the only pay to win item in this game is Diablo pet as it's the only one with upfront fee and only one that can't be sold to other players. Pay2Win means you have to shell out real life money to get the item which you didn't have to with Elephant same as you don't have to with valeron weapons/armors you also don't have to with Rumins. Only P2W item is Diablo.

I personally disagree. Elephant pet box has never been an item that you can acquire normally from the game. It doesn't drop from monsters. It's not in any raid loot table or roulette table. You have to pay (real money) to get it. For us, it was from Mystery Pet Box and LS bonus. Even if you argue you could get it by buying from a seller and paying with vis, ultimately the source was premium--someone paid real money to get it.

On the other hand, Valeron items can be acquired from the game without having to 'shell out any real money'. That's not taking into consideration enhancement/enchantment costs. We're only talking about item acquisition here. Valeron recipes can drop from boss monster (armor), roulette (accessory), or bought from NPC (weapon). Crafting materials are also in the game -- loot and roulette.

As for rumins, armor/weapon rumins can also be obtained from the game normally. Obviously, premium rumins require real money.
For me that's a stupid logic. If everyone were to think like that then every RNPC in the game is P2W and that's crap. If I the person that uses the item don't have to shell out real cash to get an item it is not pay to win, it is a premium item not p2w item. That's why only Diablo fits Pay2Win as there is no way of obtaining it for non paying players.  And sure if by some luck you knock out everyone from Candy/Evo/Ep and steal distorted arma/rex/gloria bosses from them you "can" get valeron armors you will be warred for eternity but it's "doable". Sorry but compared to that it's far easier to get Elephant/Doom Slave/Onyx and other, according to you, P2W items.

Well no basically anything that is in Lucky Shop, Lucky Shop Rewards Bonanza, Cash Shop, or Web Shop is basically 100% Pay To Win.  You cannot win unless you pay with real money in this game.  If you're a Free to Play (Player).  You basically have to farm for recipes, mats, sun stones, and moon stones just to at least get some kind of gear.  However Blessed Valerons takes months or even weeks just to break weapons in case you fail at +7.  It requires like 15 Valeron powders just to create 1 Blessed Valeron.  However the issue isn't about the crafting the weapons.  It's the means to upgrade.  You cannot upgrade weapons and armors without Feso or some kind of way to gain a lot of moon stones.  Unless you want to use your F2P Vis to buy Growth Stones to buy them from MM.  However it's going take a F2P player longer to gain gears verses a P2W player.  Who has large amounts of Vis and EJs.  Even if you manage to get a lot of Vis you're not going to be able to get those Valeron Armors.  Those guys would fight it over like hungry dogs and war anyone who attacked those field bosses.  Even in Armonia maps they put alts in those maps just to spy on the field bosses.  And if you decide to have the balls to attack the field bosses when those PVP factions sees you taking the kill you better prepare for war.  Because these guys would war anyone who dares attack any field bosses.